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Surely no more lucid, unillusioned intelligence has ever applied itself to the writing of history.
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J. W. Burrow, A History of Histories: Epics, Chronicles, Romances and Inquiries from Herodotus and Thucydides to the Twentieth Century (2007), p. 51
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Here we bless your simplicity but do not envy your folly.

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Book V, 5.105-[3]
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Of the gods we believe, and of men we know, that by a necessary law of their nature they rule wherever they can.
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Book V, 5.105-[2]
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Hope, danger's comforter...
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Book V, 5.103-[1]
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We hope that you, instead of thinking to influence us by saying that you did not join the Lacedaemonians, although their colonists, or that you have done us no wrong, will aim at what is feasible, holding in view the real sentiments of us both; since you know as well as we do that right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.
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A summary of Athenian statements to the Melians, Book V, 5.89-[1]
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The Spartans meanwhile, man to man, and with their war songs in the ranks, exhorted each brave comrade to remember what he had learned before; well aware that the long training of action was of more use for saving lives than any brief verbal exhortation, though ever so well delivered.
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Book V, 5.69-[2]
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When night came on, the Macedonians and the barbarian crowd suddenly took fright in one of those mysterious panics to which great armies are liable...

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Book IV, 4.125-[1]
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And their judgment was based more upon blind wishing than upon any sound prediction; for it is a habit of mankind to entrust to careless hope what they long for, and to use sovereign reason to thrust aside what they do not desire.

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Book IV, 4.108-[4]
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They stood where they stood by the power of the sword.
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Book IV, 4.98-[7]
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We must march against the enemy, and teach him that he must go and get what he wants by attacking someone who will not resist him, but that men whose glory it is to be always ready to give battle for the liberty of their own country, and never unjustly to enslave that of others, will not let him go without a struggle.
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Book IV, 4.92-[7]
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Let him remember that many before now have tried to chastise a wrongdoer, and failing to punish their enemy have not even saved themselves; while many who have trusted in force to gain an advantage, instead of gaining anything more, have been doomed to lose what they had. Vengeance is not necessarily successful because wrong has been done, or strength sure because it is confident; but the incalculable element in the future exercises the widest influence, and is the most treacherous, and yet in fact the most useful of all things, as it frightens us all equally, and thus makes us consider before attacking each other.
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Book IV, 4.62-[3]-[4]
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That war is an evil is a proposition so familiar to every one that it would be tedious to develop it. No one is forced to engage in it by ignorance, or kept out of it by fear, if he fancies there is anything to be gained by it.
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Book IV, 4.59-[2]; "Nobody is driven into war by ignorance, and no one who thinks that he will gain anything from it is deterred by fear." ([http://www.classicpersuasion.org/pw/thucydides/thucydides-passages.php?pleaseget=4.59-64 trans.] Benjamin Jowett)
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You can now, if you choose, employ your present success to advantage, so as to keep what you have got and gain honour and reputation besides, and you can avoid the mistake of those who meet with an extraordinary piece of good fortune, and are led on by hope to grasp continually at something further, through having already succeeded without expecting it.
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Book IV, 4.17-[4]
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Words had to change their ordinary meaning and to take that which was now given them. Reckless audacity came to be considered the courage of a loyal ally; prudent hesitation, specious cowardice; moderation was held to be a cloak for unmanliness; ability to see all sides of a question, inaptness to act on any. Frantic violence became the attribute of manliness; cautious plotting, a justifiable means of self-defence. The advocate of extreme measures was always trustworthy; his opponent a man to be suspected. To succeed in a plot was to have a shrewd head, to divine a plot a still shrewder; but to try to provide against having to do either was to break up your party and to be afraid of your adversaries.
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Book III, 3.82-[4]
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We must make up our minds to look for our protection not to legal terrors but to careful administration.

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Book III, 3.46-[4]
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Still hope leads men to venture; and no one ever yet put himself in peril without the inward conviction that he would succeed in his design.

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Book III, 3.45-[1]
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And it is certain that those who do not yield to their equals, who keep terms with their superiors, and are moderate towards their inferiors, on the whole succeed best.
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Book V, 5.111-[4]
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Men do not rest content with parrying the attacks of a superior, but often strike the first blow to prevent the attack being made.
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Book VI, 6.18-[2]
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I think, therefore, that we ought to take great numbers of hoplites, both from Athens and from our allies, and not merely from our subjects, but also any we may be able to get for love or money in the Peloponnesus, and great numbers also of archers and slingers, to oppose the Sicilian horse.
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Book VI, 6.22-[1]
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The wide difference between the two characters, the slowness and want of energy of the Spartans as contrasted with the dash and enterprise of their opponents, proved of the greatest service, especially to a maritime empire like Athens. Indeed this was shown by the Syracusans, who were most like the Athenians in character, and also most successful in combating them.
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Book VIII, 8.96-[5]
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In a democracy ...someone who fails to get elected to office can always console himself with the thought that there was something not quite fair about it.
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Book VIII, 8.89 | As quoted in A Historical Commentary on Thucydides: A Companion to Rex Warner’s Penguin Translation, David Cartwright/Rex Warner, University of Michigan Press (1997), p. 298: | In the Richard Crawley translation, this quote is rendered a
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The dead lay unburied, and each man as he recognized a friend among them shuddered with grief and horror; while the living whom they were leaving behind, wounded or sick, were to the living far more shocking than the dead, and more to be pitied than those who had perished.
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Book VII, 7.75-[3]
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Their swaying bodies reflected the agitation of their minds, and they suffered the worst agony of all, ever just within the reach of safety or just on the point of destruction.

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Book VII, 7.71-[3] (See also: Fog of war).
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And the rarest dangers are those in which failure brings little loss and success the greatest advantage.
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Book VII, 7.68-[3]
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When men are once checked in what they consider their special excellence, their whole opinion of themselves suffers more than if they had not at first believed in their superiority, the unexpected shock to their pride causing them to give way more than their real strength warrants; and that is probably now the case with the Athenians.
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Book VII, 7.66-[3]
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Right or community of blood was not the bond of union between them, so much as interest or compulsion as the case may be.
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Book VII, 7.57-[1]
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By day certainly the combatants have a clearer notion, though even then by no means of all that takes place, no one knowing much of anything that does not does not go on in his own immediate neighborhood; but in a night engagement (and this was the only one that occurred between great armies during the war) how could anyone know anything for certain?
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Book VII, 7.44-[1]
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The Thracian people, like the bloodiest of the barbarians, being ever most murderous when it has nothing to fear.

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Book VII, 7.29-[4]
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But what most oppressed them was that they had two wars at once, and has thus reached a pitch of frenzy which no one would have believed possible if he had heard of it before it had come to pass.
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Book VII, 7.28-[3]
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They have discovered that the length of time we have now been in commission has rotted our ships and wasted our crews, and that with the completeness of our crews and the soundness of the pristine efficiency of our navy has departed. For it is impossible for us to haul our ships ashore and dry them out because the enemy's vessels being as many or more than our own, we are constantly anticipating an attack.
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Book VII, 7.12-[3]-[4]
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As for democracy, the men of sense among us knew what it was, and I perhaps as well as any, as I have more cause to complain of it; but there is nothing new to be said of a patent absurdity-meanwhile we did not think it safe to alter it under the pressure of your hostility.
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Book VI, 6.89-[6]
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Contempt for an assailant is best shown by bravery in action.
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Book VI, 6.34-[9]; "the true contempt of an invader is shown by deeds of valour in the field" ([http://www.classicpersuasion.org/pw/thucydides/jthucbk6rv2.htm trans.] Benjamin Jowett)
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They possess most gold and silver, by which war, like everything else, flourishes.

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Book VI, 6.34; "they have abundance of gold and silver, and these make war, like other things, go smoothly" ([http://www.classicpersuasion.org/pw/thucydides/jthucbk6rv2.htm trans.] Benjamin Jowett)
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We must not disguise from ourselves that we go to found a city among strangers and enemies, and he who undertakes such an enterprise should be prepared to become master of the country the first day he lands, or failing in this find everything hostile to him.
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Book VI, 6.23-[2]
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I think the two things most opposed to good counsel are haste and passion; haste usually goes hand in hand with folly, passion with coarseness and narrowness of mind.
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Book III, 3.42-[1] (Speech of Diodotus).
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The fate of those of their neighbours who had already rebelled and had been subdued was no lesson to them; their own prosperity could not dissuade them from affronting danger; but blindly confident in the future, and full of hopes beyond their power though not beyond their ambition, they declared war and made their decision to prefer might to right, their attack being determined not by provocation but by the moment which seemed propitious. The truth is that great good fortune coming suddenly and unexpectedly tends to make a people insolent; in most cases it is safer for mankind to have success in reason than out of reason; and it is easier for them, one may say, to stave off adversity than to preserve prosperity.
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Book III, 3.39-[3]
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In practice we always base our preparations against an enemy on the assumption that his plans are good; indeed, it is right to rest our hopes not on a belief in his blunders, but on the soundness of our provisions. Nor ought we to believe that there is much difference between man and man, but to think that the superiority lies with him who is reared in the severest school.
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Variant translation: "Instead, we think the plans of our neighbors are as good as our own, and we can't work out whose chances at war are better in a speech. So we always make our preparations in action, on the assumption that our enemies know what they a
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The freaks of chance are not determinable by calculation.

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Book I, 1.84-[3]
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self-control contains honour as a chief constituent, and honour bravery.
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Book I, 1.84; "self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and respect of self, in turn, is the chief element in courage" ([https://archive.org/stream/thucydideswithen01thucuoft/thucydideswithen01thucuoft#page/142/mode/2up trans. Charles Forster Sm
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War is a matter not so much of arms as of money,"

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Book I, 1.83-[2]
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It is a common mistake in going to war to begin at the wrong end, to act first, and wait for disaster to discuss the matter.
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Book I, 1.78-[3]
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Thus they toil on in trouble and danger all the days of their life, with little opportunity for enjoying, being ever engaged in getting: their only idea of a holiday is to do what the occasion demands, and to them laborious occupation is less of a misfortune than the peace of a quiet life. To describe their character in a word, one might truly say that they were born into the world to take no rest themselves and to give none to others.
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Book I, Chapter III
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For the true author of the subjugation of a people is not so much the immediate agent, as the power which permits it having the means to prevent it.
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Book I, 69.
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Abstinence from all injustice to other first-rate powers is a greater tower of strength than anything that can be gained by the sacrifice of permanent tranquillity for an apparent temporary advantage.
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Book I, 1.42-[3]
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Concessions to adversaries only end in self reproach, and the more strictly they are avoided the greater will be the chance of security.

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Book I, 1.34-[3]
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The real cause I consider to be the one which was formerly most kept out of sight. The growth of the power of Athens, and the alarm which this inspired the Lacedaemon, made war inevitable.
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Book I, 1.23-[6]. (See:[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thucydides%20Trap Thucydides Trap])
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In fine, I have written my work, not as an essay which is to win the applause of the moment, but as a possession for all time.
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Book I, 1.22-[4]
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To come to this war: despite the known disposition of the actors in a struggle to overrate its importance, and when it is over to return to their admiration of earlier events, yet an examination of the facts will show that it was much greater than the wars which preceded it.
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Variant translation: "People always think the greatest war is the one they are fighting at the moment, and when that is over they are more impressed with wars of antiquity; but, even so, this war will prove, to all who look at the facts, that it was great
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On the whole, however, the conclusions I have drawn from the proofs quoted may, I believe, safely be relied on. Assuredly they will not be disturbed either by the lays of a poet displaying the exaggeration of his craft, or by the compositions of the chroniclers that are attractive at truth's expense; the subjects they treat of being out of the reach of evidence, and time having robbed most of them of historical value by enthroning them in the region of legend.
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Book I, 21-[1]
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So little pains do the vulgar take in the investigation of truth, accepting readily the first story that comes to hand.
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Variant translation: "...the search for truth strains the patience of most people, who would rather believe the first things that come to hand." Translation by Paul Woodruff. | Book I, 1.20-[3]

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